Emmie, I had to look up Moliere (my aborted English major seems to have passed him by) and I love absudist literature and plays so thanks for the introduction!

Personally, I’ve decided to wait until my Evelyns come in next year before I even consider GRF exclusives again but I might use them as a source for Otto & Sons roses if something pops up that I can’t easily get elsewhere. I also need a year to see how these florist roses even do in a no spray PNW garden like mine.

Tartuffe would be a great name for a DA rose!

I wonder why GRF plants take extremely long from the time a tracking is generated, the plant boxed to when it arrives to the owner Some of the unboxing pics look like potatoes that have been left in the pantry for way too long. Its much more than a leaf or two that developed without light during normal transport

Ok I have a follow up to my ups tracking extravaganza! It says the package is in a nearby town due to arrive tomorrow! Keep in mind, this might be just the packing slip in an envelope, which would be a cruel cruel joke lol. Fingers crossed!

The thread that will not die. No rose. Diane

I ordered one pathetic rose from them and after much hassle they finally sent it. I, too, will never order from them again. Its all about appearances and looking good on social media. There is no substance underneath it all. My experience with them was terrible and I'm glad it's over. What an awful company.

Wow…after all of the back and forth with customer service for two generous gardener roses ordered last fall, I can officially say I received my order this morning! They were packaged well and they were still moist, looked very healthy. I just got them in the ground. I appreciate GRF is a family owned business and they are learning but I dont think I will be ordering from them again. Gardening is meant to be relaxing! Wish everyone luck with their orders.

My Mother's Day gift from Grace--no rose. Diane

Diane, I am starting my day to check if you got Ashley... May be it worth to bag them again?

My Ashley's started to bloom. Wish you best of luck to get it!

Elena she looks beautiful. I also have still not received my Ashley, still says label printed :(

Thanks for all the updates. I am still waiting as well… No ”exclusive” shipped yet. But I saw that someone on IG received ’Mansfield Park Pink.’ so maybe soon?

I ordered back in August, and I just received a notification that my 3 roses will be delivered tomorrow. Francis Meilland, Yves Piaget & White O’Hara exclusive…not sure which ones will arrive, but I’m hoping its all 3!

Andrea, Did you get your GRF roses?

Elena,

Ashley is exquisite! I have 2 baby Ashleys from fall in a pot. Someday it will be amazing to see them look like yours!!!

GRF may be very delayed, but her Exclusives are to die for!!!

This morning I had delivered from GRF my Exclusive, Noting Hill. I will open after work tonight! I have GREAT ANTICIPATION to open the box!!!!! Will it be 1 Exclusive rose or 2 in a pot?

May need give away 1 Ashley & 1 Notting Hill if both are double Exclusive roses. I don’t think I need doubles???

I emailed GRF a few times reminding I had shipping label on May 2. for Notting Hill Exclusive I waited a year & Bl Baccara ordered this spring. They shipped Bl Baccara today,, May 15. I received Notting Hill today-2 weeks after label printed.

Soooooo I teceived this soring so far Mother of Pearl and Notting Hill, and Bl Baccara now says ”On the way,” shipped today! Yay Yay! “Bl Baccara is a Comin! !!!!!!” Woohoo!

Brick & Diane,

Those Exclusives gotta come sooner or L………. “The sun will come out tomorrow!!!!!!!!!”

And I’d really like the sun to come out tomorrow…. I am having an eternally rainy spring in NY! 🤪🌺🥀😊😇

Kitty, you are always so kind and positive! I have fulfilled my promise to you here:

My Garden

Sun we have in abundance, but no rose from you know who. Sorry I missed this thread yesterday--very busy day. I'm not as optimistic as Kitty. Diane

Elena, Thank you! Your gardens are beautifully landscaped and the roses are lusciously blooming!

GRF: Notting Hill Exclusive twin baby 6 inch roses came last night in one pot. Needs pruned & repotting. I need to grow them back to health. I would encourage GRF to look at production & see what is being sent to customers. After a couple months I am sure my NH will look nice! I will give one to a friend. It is a beautiful rose in photos on GRF.

The SUN is coming out today! 72F! Woohoo!

Notting Hill Exclusive delivered: 2 babies in a pot, mostly I already removed dried leaves , a few yellow/brown/red to black canes.

Newly potted, separated , pruned off.

5 inch Notting Hill Exclusive

Other Notting Hill

Anastasia enjoying Notting Hill, Lol!

Anastasia here to brighten our day!

I asked again about my exclusive rose yesterday and for an ETA on shipping and I received a response that Gracie and Ryan are unavailable to oversee the shipping, so no shipments at this time.

I don’t understand this at all. I would think for such a large operation there would be a Shipping Manager and team to handle this type of work.

I sent them an email on Monday asking for a status update but received no response. Sent another one today. Sigh

I was going to order Mansfield Park Prink, but didnt pull the trigger. I'm kinda glad I didn't after reading the issues they have with shipping, and the pictures of $80 twigs (yes my probably unpopular opinion). Hopefully another rose grower and grow some of these roses who have experience getting the rose to the buyer as promised.

They're not available to oversee shipping? For goodness sakes. The excuses grow more ridiculous. I'm so sorry to those of you still waiting.

‘Mansfield Park Pink’ is the exclusive I am waiting for... I have no idea what to expect. I ordered a grafted rose, so that should be a larger rose. Honestly, at this point, if they said it wasn’t available and offered a refund, I’d be super happy!! :)

Yessss! So glad for you Diane! I can only imagine the size of Ashly in your garden!

Good luck for those who still waiting.

That's awesome Diane, that gives me hope

it is my understanding that the exclusives that come two in a pot are meant to be potted together to grow into one bush so that you have a larger rose bush more quickly.

Great news, Diane! It’s great to hear all these good reports about their grafted roses, this gives me some hope that my grafted Evelyn will be amazing when she finally arrives next year.

In my opinion the two to a pot idea is most likely just them covering up for a poor job rooting their roses and then they put a spin on it to make it sound better. It looks like they are only going to do grafted now which is a good thing because their own roots are pretty pathetic considering their price. For what it’s worth most of my duplicates are doing well after separating except for the smallest O’Hara Pink twig that is slowly declining but who knows, it might still come back from the roots. The other O’Hara Pink is looking good so I still have the rose I wanted, just smaller than expected for now.

Thanks, everyone. I'm pretty my plant is a single, but I haven't checked yet. Doing other things. I'll post about it later. Diane

Otto & Sons will still be growing own root for them

Diane, I am pretty sure the grafted roses were all singles. At least from what I’ve seen here and on the facebook discussions. I wonder if they have been improving their packaging or have better packaging for the grafted roses because mine came with ok packaging but definitely not great.

Hu, thanks for the clarification - now I’m not actually sure where I got the impression they were doing grafted only. Hopefully the own roots that are being delivered now were not Otto & Sons or if they were they get better at it because these were both the worst and most expensive own roots I have ever ordered. Even my RVR bands looked better.

Heather, hanks for the news about GRF grafted roses. I don't understand the packaging for own root. They should be more consistent in their packaging. I have to say that I got a 40% sale discount when I ordered back on March 4, so that helped some, but with the $20 shipping for one rose, Ashley was by far the most expensive rose I've ever purchased. My five gallon Angel Face, blooming when I picked her up the other day from Edwards' special greenhouse for prepaid roses, was $44, plus tax. And Edwards' prices had really jumped from last year. Diane

Heather RR I think it would probably depend on when you purchased the own root. The last few own root releases have all been grown by Otto & Sons. GRF will only be producing grafted at their production farm moving forward but they will still have multiple new releases each year from Otto & Sons.

Yes it does seem like packaging changed this last week or two to enable the rose bushes to ship more securely given UPS’s antics with packages.

HU, I read that GRF has been receiving all own-root Exclusives from the Arizona nursery on GRF website and that her grafted other roses come from Arizona then go to Otto & Sons to pot. . Is that different now? Where can I read further about it?

From GRF website FAQ:

Diane,

Congrats on your grafted Ashley! She will grow beautifully for you!

GRF says all her roses are “premium quality arriving…. leafed out, ready to bloom. “ Not sure that applied to my Notting Hill….. Lol! 🤪 my Notting Hill rose above photos….

I am in zone 9. I ordered Notting Hill and Kordes (plum perfect) and they have both arrived today. They were well packaged and the roses are in excellent condition. I wanted to order more but after I have seen some of the comments here, I kind of hesitate. Maybe I was lucky, I am not sure. I haven’t taken a picture but they are exactly like the ones in elenazone6’s pictures. Only slightly bigger.

I’ve been to Otto’s a couple of times. They have massive fields but I’ve never seen a greenhouse which would be needed for propagation. Pretty sure that’s all handled by a grower in Arizona. GRF just has a special arrangement to ship Otto’s potted grafted roses since Otto’s doesn’t ship. They’re also shipping 2g (or maybe 3gallon?) roses not the 5 gallon you get at Otto’s.

Many nurseries around here buy wholesale from Otto’s or you can go there and buy direct. They have really nice looking plants. The own root stuff GRF has been shipping doesn’t look like the quality I’d expect from Otto’s.

A quick google sleuthing and it turns out the farm that was helping propagate her genetic stock stole her intellectual property and genetic material. Clearly, she should have told us that a) our personal information has been stolen and that b) her material and work has been stolen from her as well. My anger has dissipated and now I feel mostly helpless I am still missing 9 roses. Cappucino which she will be shipping Spring 2025 plus 8 that were missing from my Fall 2023 delivery. I feel dissapointed but no longer feel the seathing anger I felt before.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7FTvDrSwu2/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Hasn’t Tyler posted here in the past?

He could come on here and tell us it (J’s bombshell reporting) ain’t so.

Between Etsy sellers, Garden Roses LLC, and GRF, I am totally confused. No more ordering roses from anyone for me. I'm buying locally, if at all. Diane

That was a very interesting read, J, thanks for providing the link. Certainly more engrossing than anything I would have seen on TV tonight. As the plaintiff, all the allegations are made by GRF, but I would wait for the trial results before assigning any blame.

BenT, can I steal your wording to share this?

Roses in Clay

Yes, sure.

KittyNYz6

My roses still havent arrived 😐

My own-root J'Adore arrived today alongside 2 Otto & Sons grafted non-exclusives. The Otto & Sons roses looked fine, but J'Adore unfortunately wasn't properly secured. Someone had forgotten to pull out those little cardboard tabs to help keep her in place so she was battered badly being so small in such a large box. Unfortunately the main cane was split at the base. I've reached out to customer service and asked for a replacement. I'm going to try to tape her but I'm not sure if that will work or not

Kitty the change is a new development. I guess the lawsuit tells us why.

Ben, most likely it would be a confidential settlement, not a trial.

Andrea zone 9b

All orders in their systems are to be shipped by the end of this month

There was a comment left by a party to the lawsuit which I deleted after I found out that it was misleading and that it was also coming from a former employee of Grace Rose Farm. It was implied the case was dismissed with prejudice by the judge. However, the petitioner (Grace Rose) is whom requested the dismissal. It only names Francis associates in the dismissal but leaves out the Bordon person/employee. I guess we are all free to make assumptions. Certainly a lot to unpack there. The lawsuit against the employee must still be ongoing? Perhaps there is ongoing mediation? Not here to accuse or defend. I just believe as consumers we need to be aware of what is going on. Also, if customer information was stolen what did the employee do with all of our personal info? I will tune back in after the court date on the webpage. Ben, definitely something I would follow on tv 😅

So GRF filed the lawsuit in Jan 2024, and then filed for it’s dismissal in Mar 2024. Yes, J, I was very much looking forward to a Rose Espionage Trial, but now I will have to go back to my mundane life of deadheading spent flowers. Perhaps Judge Judy could still take on the double-crossing Bordon agent?

I did go ahead and register on the April and Ashley website, they will let me know when they start their new exclusive rose business, lol!

Yes dismissal with prejudice means that the lawsuit is over between those  parties and can never be refiled again.

If it were against everyone it would say the entire action.

It only against that party or parties listed-- the lawsuit is still going on against all the other named  defendants.

It almost always happens because those two parties have settled and part of the settlement agreement is that there is a dismissal with prejudice ending that lawsuit.

Thanks for finding this out J.